Yea I knew that this was used German but I had never really seen where they kind of actively sought to have a persons force the blood issue. How must the parents of those quintuplets feel for going through all that trouble when all they had to do was work on a secret meeting to agree to let the hospital force the issue? I guess that is what is so surprising.
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JW LOOPHOLE ON BLOOD IN PRINT!!
by Burger Time inok just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else.
anyways in this article the liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion.
the article basically points out the loophole!!
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JW LOOPHOLE ON BLOOD IN PRINT!!
by Burger Time inok just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else.
anyways in this article the liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion.
the article basically points out the loophole!!
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Burger Time
Actually I was just joking around. I wanted to post before lunch so thus why I pretty much just left it open. It originally was just pointing to the article then I read the article and realized how important it could be, so I just had time to edit the original thread subject. Will copy and paste what you were nice enough to copy and paste lili.
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JW LOOPHOLE ON BLOOD IN PRINT!!
by Burger Time inok just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else.
anyways in this article the liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion.
the article basically points out the loophole!!
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Burger Time
Hey! If I was too lazy to search why would I take all the effort to post the important part??
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JW LOOPHOLE ON BLOOD IN PRINT!!
by Burger Time inok just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else.
anyways in this article the liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion.
the article basically points out the loophole!!
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WOW read the article this could be something MAJOR.
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JW LOOPHOLE ON BLOOD IN PRINT!!
by Burger Time inok just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else.
anyways in this article the liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion.
the article basically points out the loophole!!
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OK just read this article and didn't see it anywhere else. Anyways in this article the Liason committee gives permission for a "forced" transfusion. The article basically points out the loophole!! Awesome article!!!
I'm sure it's been posted but I don't feel like searching.
Llovelylil did the work to copy and paste where the article points out the loop hole which is:
The hearing took hours. The judge listened patiently to everyone's testimony and suggested a solution. The Azevedos could honor their beliefs and refuse to sign the consent. However, Craven herself would "authorize" - she was very careful, she said, to avoid the term "order," even though Jose and Maria had no choice - the surgery, and her name would appear on a separate authorization form. The Witness liaison supported this compromise, assuring the Azevedos that "if the judge orders it, then you are not going against the church teaching."
On August 20, Jacob was wheeled to an operating room at Children's, where Bacha's team opened the child's chest, cooled his body to 72 degrees, and connected him to the bypass machine, primed with donated blood. Jacob's heart lay still for a few hours as the surgeons performed the delicate switch of the great arteries. Repaired, the heart sprang to life when rewarmed and his chest was sewn closed. Hopefully, no one would lay eyes on the heart ever again.
Weeks later, Jacob, who has honey-colored hair and an easy smile, was feeding and growing like a healthy infant. I asked Maria what she thought might happen to Jacob's soul. "My conscience is clear," she said. She felt that the doctors, not the child or the parents, would have to answer for the transfusion. "It wasn't Jacob's decision," she said. "We took our stand and never compromised. Jehovah knows that I did not compromise my faith. What [the doctors] decided to do, that's between them and God. We don't judge them." Jose agreed: "God will have to analyze the situation. I cannot speak for him, but I know that God is a merciful God, and he does forgive."
Tacitly, the Watch Tower Society seems to endorse this end run around the transfusion ban for children. Its statement on blood products includes the following: "On occasion . . . medical personnel have sought court backing to give blood. Of course, Christians agree with laws or court action to prevent child abuse or neglect." Pellechia, the spokesman, says, "Under pressure, if a person caved in and made a decision that others would not have made, I believe there would be an understanding [and] empathy shown."
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"We NEVER PROPHESIED about 1975"
by Honesty in2:24 through 5:12 of the following video says they did:.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiezx74p5ck&feature=related.
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Burger Time
I think a better argument to a JW is showing them the WT and KM where the end is implied. You can also say that under their logic Jehovah had no right to punish anyone in the bible whose guilt was implied. I can't think of an example offhand but I am 100% sure there are quite a few examples.
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Hi,you might know my big sister..
by Firefox inim 19 and im still going to meetings.ive been sort of unhappy for a while.my older sister left the truth about 9 or 10 years ago.my brother was on her heels a couple of years later.ive been told that they were weak,selfish,posessed and drug addicts.i knew this wasnt true,they were both brilliant and caring of me.i havent spoken to them in at least 3 years.alot of gossip still circulates about them,especially sarah.she intimidated everybody and i suppose this is how they feel superior.. im rambling,sorry.im just overwhelmed.i ran into sarah at a walmart and she was radiant.i chatted her ear off for an hour and she hugged me when i cried.i told her i wanted out,that i know something isnt right but i m so scared.she suggested some of teh online groups to help.i guess she went to thomschat but thats not there anymore.she said my struggle would be different than hers because she never believed in the witnesses.i did.any advice or books to read or whatever you suggest,i just want to learn.she said crisis of conscience would probably help.okay thanks..
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Welcome Fire, I think everyone will agree that they have gone through the same thing you are going through. If you read Crisis of Conscious by Raymond Franz it will change your viewpoint for sure. That is the one book I think most will strongly suggest you read. Also you might want to look in to local meetup's of ex witnesses in your area, it can be risky but finding good warm hearted individuals just to speak to in real life can be quite comforting. Hope you can find what your looking for.
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Has anyone seen this? Yes or NO?
by Dagney inwhich is it?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otg6xaxmozq.
very good.
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Burger Time
I would think the Library of Congress has a good deal of WT stuff that we probably didn't know existed. I am on a music forum and that is always a wonderful source of info.
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Burger Time
For real...they weren't so hot when Lawson came back for UNC.
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1 John 5:7,8 and Colossians 2:9
by DoomVoyager inboth are trinitarian verses.. .
colossions 2:9, kjv: "for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the godhead bodily.
" nwt: "because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily".
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I like the NIV...but no translation is 100%.